Technicians the VTP being offered now will be the last package of its kind. We here at CWA bargained this last offer as a sign of good faith and gratitude to the men and women who have worked here for 30+ years. The union contract as we know it ends in June and once it's over the termination agreement goes away forever. There will NOT be any other packages offered. Now is the chance to get 2 years pay and ride off. This news of the contract ending in June and not being resigned will break in January. The plan is to hire technicians who they feel are skilled in today's world. Take the last package there will not be another. It's confirmed.
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You are all so foolish if you think the non skilled union workers in the field will continue after next year, I personally can't wait to see them go and news flash morons, it's a FACT they are going BYE-BYE!!
Funny hats, I know exactly who that is. That guy is a piece of work. Very lazy with terrible home life. Good let him ROT here...
I hope everyone realizes this is just a bunch of pissed off people venting. There has been no "agreement" between the company and the union and this being the last VTP. There are technicians with lower seniority who are trying to urge the senior techs to leave with the VTP so they can stay. And maybe for some its a good idea. But it is each individuals decision based on their circumstances. I just want to comment on the anger about technicians not performing their job or being trained. It used to be everybody was required to go to training-it was not a choice. If the company (foreman's) had everyone attend training, and work the tickets there would be no issue. Since when does the technician get to decide what job he will go to during work hours? And I don't want to hear-"the union" this and "the union" that. The union is being used as a scapegoat. Our represented are union represented, always have been and all of us enjoy the fruits of those labors. By the way the Octel story is not correct-the 9/1/1998 date is used for some purposes such as calculating pension monies because that is the day Octel techs came over to Lucent. They had no pension therefore no pension monies moved with them so the 9/1/1998 date is used. HOWEVER their other NCS date is used for pension eligibility and other purposes. I know many engineers in Denver and not everyone is thrilled in their job. The company made cuts to their benefits and pensions. They pay a lot for health care. For those of you who are so anti union-you have the choice to leave Avaya and work elsewhere.
I just don't think everyone needs to be so nasty-we are all just trying to survive and do the best we can.
Just to let everyone know....Flounder is not me from the previous response. I put my name to everything. I'm not a coward like most of you who post. I was let go and found a job. End of story.
Who cares about a package. It's chump change in the grand scheme of things. These fools would blow all their money anyway if they got the package. Like they squandered the riches Lucent gave to them. The guy who wrote the colloquially under me summed it all up well. One mistake though, Lucent guys lost money some as much as a million ON PAPER. It was never actually in their possession. Just like the buyout money will never be in their possession. Too ignorant to comprehend what to do and when to do it . Same old story. Couldn't sell then can't take offer now . It's ok. Guys with no education can't be expected to know any better. No hate just truth there is a difference. I was forced out over a year ago and I'm doing just fine.
Lol. There are a lot of women in charge at Avaya. Funny stuff. And the business has all gone away.....
Die on the job old farts!!! Technicians don't take the offer because their TSM allows them to sit home and do nothing. Too many women in charge at Avaya. No fear of management. Skilled techs got the ax while lazy 69 year old men who wear funny hats stay on. It's the Titanic at Avaya customers will be told of the nonsense.
Let CWA and IBEW all die here! lol... This was the funniest thing I've read on this string "Techs are skilled maybe a tad behind" - Keep drinking that cool-aid! These tech's are not skilled in todays tech, as a customer that has dealt with them for the past 8 years, each tech that come onsite either said I've never worked on this or I need to call for help. Unions are an absolute joke, the only people that defend them are the union workers, everyone else wants them gone. This will be a big success for Avaya to remove the less skilled union folks, bring in quality engineers. Sorry for any union guys that actually work hard or have applied themselves, it's the other 90% that need to go.
Only a few more hours to take the offer or die here old men!! Decisions decisions!
It's amazing all the negative talk about Avaya techs and the constant mention of the Union. The two have nothing to do with each other. The only thing the union does is negotiations with the contract and that's it The techs aside from paying $35 a week in dues have nothing to do with the CWA. NOTHING. Techs are skilled maybe a tad behind but that's just because of the work Avaya gives to their techs. It's not a Union dues workers problem or issue that management gave all the work away. Not fair to say that about technicians. On the same breath I would take the 104 weeks and run. It won't be offered again. That's a fact.
There is a reason for this, 80% of Avaya union workers can't grasp today's technology, reason being they are a bunch of lazy cry babies that don't want to work or apply themselves. A lot of dead weight at Avaya and they are cleaning house! Good for Avaya, it's about time and they'll soon be gone! New times are coming at Avaya, we can't wait for the next chapter!
I have no idea what is the last person who posted is on, but strongly recommend to address it with a proper medical specialist. What is your problem? BTW, I am not a technician or with UNION. Take it easy, definitely some health or mental issues. Is that from being young or from having too much brain:)?
Union idiots, you were your own demise. There were 3500 plus tech across the country at one point years ago, now there is 130 + or - for the entire country. If you idiots can't see it, that just goes to show you how useless you really are. The UNION is going away, that is a FACT morones! The only way Avaya could do this was giving the work to BP's to save face and eventually get to where they are today! Not rocket scientist stuff people, derr...
Avaya does not need union people to support government contract, they need engineers with government clearance dumb a--, which they are already doing today with most engineer that will be brought on. Who cares what phone is on the POTUS, you think a union guy fixes it! lol IDIOT
BTW, Field techs did not pave the way over the years, that is a Fn JOKE! If you believe that, you're an idiot!
Field tech were and are puppets, they always have been! Overpaid wire pullers with no education or the ability to learn the technology no matter how hard they trained them. They had to create an RSE role for talented engineers to go out and do the job for the Union techs because they were useless.
Denvers very talented BBE engineers paved the way for Avaya earlier success. The smoke show is over, Avaya is cleaning house and not that Kristoff is back, you clowns better watch out and get ready to be worked to death with the little resources they have anuil you are gone and they bring in the REAL talent and it doesn't involve the work UNION workers!
Bye- bye! lol...
It is amazing that this initial post was from the union bargaining team that has yet to be established so it is recommended not to believe everything you hear or read.
As an-ex Avaya Tech, I've heard this song before. I actually snagged "the last VTP" 7 years ago. If Avaya continues to support H/W, I can't see how there going to do it in certain parts of the country without unionized techs. Avaya still has plenty of government contracts. Last time I looked there's an Avaya phone on potus's desk. That being said, there's fewer and fewer unionized Avaya employees every year and the CWA is asleep at the switch anyway, nothing to fear there. I think it's more likely Avaya will let the techs just fade away.
I know there's a lot of upset people angry after finding out they're supplemental is being slashed but I think it's very unfair to characterize all union techs as "slackers". Did have some "klinkers" on the crew but most of the large business techs I worked with were reasonably competent, dedicated and customer focused. Last 5 years I worked for Avaya you could pretty much say good bye to any personal life.
What sort of sick mind is hoping someone gets cancer. When you don't have to post your name it brings out the best in people.
How can bankrupt Avaya offer 104 weeks pay??? A note to management if any old men don't take this offer, if it's even a real offer. Work them to the bone. Throw the most complicated jobs their way. Make them earn the $40 dollars and hour. What a sham of a company. Work the old men they will quit because they s--- and have zero skills.
Agree, very sad to see comments like these. What goes around comes around, so this young one with the "brain" and no compassion will eventually get what he deserves. As for the buy out, I would take it. It is pretty good deal to get paid for 104 weeks, enough time to plan retirement or get another job, or get retrained - the next steps is different for everyone. I wish you all well.
Sad to see such comments. Especially directed toward the people that paved the way for the new breed of "I'm Entitled" employee that receives the salaries & benefits they are receiving.
They have too many takers now. The lazy POS techs will all die on the job now! Haha. It's nice to be young and have a brain. Work to you loses are 100 it must be so rewarding to work as a technician at Avaya. The cancer will get you soon enough old man. The cancer gets you all. Pass on the 104 weeks and get canned in June anyway losers.
Good-bye UNION, hope you saved your pennies! Hello qualified engineers, see you soon and can't wait!
It's over. Last buyout offer we better take it or lose the opportunity. Just got word in Boston that come June contract will not be extended. Then no 104 weeks...
This is great news for Avaya and their customers!!!!! Finally, they're getting rid of the useless dead weight union technicians that collect a paycheck and have the skills of monkey's! They've been doing it for years now, giving BP's all the business to take down the heard, LOVE IT! 2 years paid, that's crazy unheard off, so you best take it slackers! I hope you all enjoyed the ride, for those that still have to work, boy is reality going to hurt your pocket! I hear Home Depot is hiring, you might have the skills for that, NOT! For those good techs out there, if you kept up with the technology and acquired good skills along the way, best of luck to you and you'll do well! To the slackers, you'll soon see how useless you really are in today's world!
Sounds like this may be the last opportunity. Just spoken to the Union and they hinted to take offer. I have over 37 years. Maybe it's time to go. I agree with what everyone is saying. I was blind now I can see.
The union contract ends in June. The company did not have to offer a buyout OR VTP this is the last one because of a one time agreement made last minute. If you are considering taking a VTP now is the last chance. If not don't worry you will be gone in June with nothing. It's a no brainer. Heads will roll over the inside info about the contract not getting extended. The 104 weeks sounds very nice to me. My decision is made . Only fear is to many may want out and I get stuck here to die like someone mentioned. That would be sad.
A e mail was sent out to 29 technicians which revealed that the contract will not be extended and this is the last VTP offer. Management will have to deal with this. We are all gonners. However I will be nearly 100 weeks richer. #getoutwhileyoucan. Don't die here.
It's true. I will be taking the package. There will NOT be another offered and with the contract more than likely not getting renewed they wouldn't have to offer anything to anyone. I checked this with my personal attorney and he said take the 104 weeks. It's been a good career. I want to enjoy what life I have left I'm old anyway ha ha. Good luck all. Take the buyout and see me on the beach.
We were told that this morning as well. I'm not losing 104 weeks pay. 34 years has been a good ride. Plus I can't keep up with the technology anymore. I don't want to be left out of the last package it will ruin me if that happens.